this is 4 charity
and i no
that is good
i also no
this is shit
Hear is n idea
just give the money to them
B cause you are a millionaire
instead of asking us
2 pay $300
4 a turd
What the hell is Rosie O’ Donnell’s friends picking shit off the bathroom floor for?
Why is Rosie O’Donnell holding a Habi-trail full of urine soaked bar fliers?
It doesn’t help that she’s all frowning in all of the pictures, like she doesn’t even like her own work.
Furthermore… “Events that happen in the world”
Since when do bar fliers chronicle global events?
OMG- It really is her- I thought it was a look a like. Well hell in that case I will get the money for this lickedy split.
Why Can’t Rosie spell? I would be more inclined to help her cause (assuming I liked the artwork) if she did not type like my teenage sister .
This just makes me sad.
So nobody is going to make a comment about a lesbian and a box?
this looks like a therapy art project. this is where i put all my bad feelings. invite my negative energy into your home.
ther was a world
wher i was so famous
i cud make bad art
and sell it
4 hundreds of dollrs
mayb one day
(im not holding my breth)
#5, i totally thought the same thing. actually, i was all, “geez, that tore-up lady looks like rosie o’donnell kinda.” then BOOM. it’s her.
A lesbian and a box walk into a bar to collect free postcards from the bathroom….
oh, no wait.
Her friends did it for her….
maybe this journal piece holds
a picture of
her kidney stone
that would explain the
I shall never, ever tire of seeing Rosie O’Donnell get called out on her gibbering bullshit.
That’s for real? I feel like I’m in bizzaro world. She’s still got enough appeal that people will pay $300 for that? It’s great that it’s for charity and all but I can’t imagine opting to that that. If I had the money I’d rather just donate it and have her match the amount.
#8- I did say i would get the money lickedy split but never thought about her box.until now.thanks for that visual.
Holy shit, I didn’t realize it was her until I saw the charity name. (No, I didn’t pay attention to the shop name or anything)
Sadly, I know people who would want this, not because they like it but because Rosie made it. Yes, I have some creepy people in my life
Further proof that people ill buy anything if it is sold by a “celebrity”. Everything in her shop, and her sold items could be better made by the kids she is helping. And I for one would rather purchase something the kids have made, than Rosie O’Donnell.
I’ve never been to a public restroom that has offered post cards. What would they say? “Wish you were here, love from the nastiest John in Scotland.”
#19 NinjaGato: They’re advertising postcards just outside the door of restrooms, usually in restaurants. I like your version much better though.
Rosie’s so disconnected from the common man she doesn’t even realize 300 bucks is an awful lot of money.
She’s the technicolor version of Yooko (all she needs is the Harry Caray glasses ).
can’t she even TRY to look presentable? i mean…i understand the whole “lesbian/(pseudo)artist/real person” vibe. but, COME ON! you’re having your picture taken. either put on some lip gloss or crop yourself out!
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Isn’t it a little late to merchandise a film tie-in?
I really thought april/helen photoshopped one of the ‘tard stills from this classic.
#22…that’s what I thought…geez…at least put a little makeup on. Hell I put some on just to go to the post office today. Oh and she takes crappy pictures…what’s with the color on some?
so the other 3 items she has for sale are not notated that the money is going to her charity….. does that mean she is tryin to make money off her autographed handi-crap?
I’m so glad someone is really showing Rosie’s crap for what it is! Crap. Crap I tell ya!
#25. frootloop…It says in her shop announcement that all proceeds go to charity, and she matches $ for $.
Which, I guess I can give her that. That’s it though.
Journal = Urinal?
tv took my soul
but few neurons still live
so they glue shit together
taken from dark gutter of life
u buy, i happy—make more
until hungry ghosts take me
The “net-speak” description aside, I find it hard to believe that Rosie O’Donnell doesn’t have a working digital camera (or access to a PHOTOGRAPHER) to take a decent photo (with or without her in it).
No, she has someone do a screen grab of a bad webcam image.
Is there a reason she looks so constipated??
wow. it’s sure nice that some millionaire is trying to get hundreds of dollars for shit, maybe she should tell her friends to pick up some damn perspective for her while they are out scrounging up shit for her. Go back to the cruise ship, jerkwad.
gah, i’m a lesbian and i dont look like that on my worst day.
i want to know why she is so angry. is she being forced to do this for community service?
My grandparents have that exact same linoleum. I don’t know how to feel about the fact that other people have it. The blood red with flecks in it is truly hideous.
Doh, posted in the wrong thread.
helen, can you please file in washed up celebrity assholes if this becomes a trend?
Was that English, or did she just mash the keyboard with her fists a few times and get lucky with some words?
Joseph Cornell did this half-a-century ago, and he did it well. He made art.
As far as I can tell, all you’re doing is signing your autograph on a piece of junk. We call that “polishing a turd,” not “making art.”
What would be really awesome would be if Rosie came here to set a good example for all the regrettable etsy whiners who don’t know what to do with all this Regretsy love they are basking in. (-:
Well after getting over the ‘ funny that woman looks like rosie ‘ and it actual was. I don’t think her friends got her the postcards. It looks more like they ripped of the plexi glass that holds those cards. – as on the front of this horid piece. Also – who’s reflection is that ? Is it part of the art or is it as thoughtful as the very artist trying to sell this piece of crap ?!
Oprah would never do this.
“”Oprah would never do this. “”
who do you think controls Rosie?
Rosie is absolutely clueless. $300?? In this economy? For that??? Using postcards from random clubs and bathrooms? I’ll get my own postcards and make my own observations about world events if you don’t mind.
PS this is the best item she has yet
my questions is “what does this even mean rosie?”
And also you were in television and movies right ? Didn’t anyone teach you how to be in a picture – let alone have any dignity ?
I somehow managed to find Rosie (we’re on first name basis) when she first joined Etsy during an ‘art doll’ search. (random memory) Her prices were much lower then and I was aghast at her shop. Were she not her it would have never succeeded. The atrocious pictures, the poor grammar, txt language (for crying out loud) and complete disregard for capitalization bespoke of utter horror. It still does. How much are we willing to forgive in the name of charity?
Aww poor Rosie, at least she means well..
“all money made here goes to support
THE MARAVEL ARTS CENTER in nyc
i will match all money dollar for dollar”…she *is* matching the money donated…It is pretty funny that she is on Etsy though- I never would have guessed that people other than us common-folk, actually sold on there
@ Razberries, Oh I didn’t see that she matches funds. Now I feel bad.
Kidding! It’s still a piece of shit.
Well now I’ve seen it all.
thez r crap
645 sales! If I put a picture of a hostile bulldog with all my items, I wonder if I’d sell more?
Yeah, I’d respect this more if she took the time to learn something about art and the power of inspiration. All this inspires in me is a Hep B test. I’m judging by what I see–not that she’s a “celebrity” or “matches funds”. Good grief–don’t share this nightmare with me.
We would like our toaster oven back.
Here’s an improvement to the marketing anyway…
She gets her young friends to grab this stuff from nightclub bathrooms? Shit, you could probably lick it and get high.
And speaking of Urine Soaked, is it me or does this pic kinda make Rosie look like a white R. Kelly?
Rosie, journal pieces, events that happen 2 me, flyers, public bathrooms, nightclubs, $300, blah, blah, blah…
Now I’m off to vomit.
sunshynegrll- lmfao…great photoshop
She is just grouchy because no one wants her Box
Dear everyone else on Etsy:
Thank you so, so much for not gratuitously including yourself in every picture of whatever you are selling. Regards, DC
Wooden board? ✓
Metal thing? ✓
Plastic box? ✓
Some postcard? ✓
Oh, come on, Rosie. $300?
But it’s signed. Well okay then.
Ummmmmmm…is this a postcard or a journal piece (whatever the hell that is)? C’mon man! She’s sending her ‘young pals’ out to loiter and steal so she isn’t even paying for most of the supplies for her ‘artwork’. I also wonder if Rosie is in copyright violation redistributing these items? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Helen-may we please decide upon our next worthy charity; inspired by the photographs in this listing? If we each pitched in a dime or so, could we donate enough to get Ms. Rosie a hand mirror, a hairbrush, a bit of lip color, and some face powder or blotting papers? She’s trying WAY too hard to look like she doesn’t try very hard.
#45 Helen- Will you tell us the names of your puppy’s in the windows- arf arf- the 2 with the waggy tails- arf.arf.Aarf.??????? They are really cute about it.
Done sidetracking for now.
ugh…to the art and the fart that’s selling this overpriced bullfuckery.
She looks haggard and worn out, and she’s holding a box with a photo of her sewn (?) inside, where she also looks haggard and worn out
and if she were holding a box in THAT photo too, and that box had a photo of her looking haggard and worn out
then it would be one of those pictures that just goes on and on and on
Just another stop on her descent into madness and further obscurity I guess.
Helen, please consider posting tomorrow’s 1st item earlier than usual – this is more horrifying than day 1 of the Advent calendar.
… just realized, one of her 8 kids probably makes this shit and she is just sick of it piled up around the house.
#64 bootsychoo :
“Helen, please consider posting tomorrow’s 1st item earlier than usual – this is more horrifying than day 1 of the Advent calendar.”
Why earlier? Are you afraid you’ll have nightmares?
I’d rather just donate to her stupid charity than have to participate in the farce of buying her horrible “craftwork” first.
Thanks #54 raz. Add S&M gear to anything, and suddenly $300 doesn’t seem overpriced.
#66 sudabaki – oh, I’ll still have nightmares. But, every time I check the site right now, it’s like one of those screaming-ghost-face-pop-ups.
I just don’t need that kind of stress.
I like Rosie. I think I’m one of the few. We share a birthday in fact. I think it’s funny that she bought original prints of comics about her and is spinning them in her own personal way.
Those interested in seeing the movie that Rosie’s B&D still was taken from should look here.
Take some Dramamine first if you are actually planning to watch this film. And yes, it is a scary sort of illness I have that forces me to know this sort of thing off the top of my head.
Check out the writing credit.
palJacky: I saw that movie back in the day but managed to suppress it. I’m holding you personally responsible for any nightmares I have.
maybe the center for disease control bought it to stave off the plague. hey, 4.95 is cheap to avoid the next black death.
dammit, how did this post here?!?
That mug just made me swear off women for good. And men.
I’m sorry Rosie, I didn’t mean it! Really I didn’t! You did after all throw up a big ol’ middle finger salute on your Rosie magazine when you had that staph infection which I admit tickled the hell outta me.
OMG Rosie, it didn’t tickle me that you had a staph infection, it tickled me that you gave everyone the finger. Damn, she’ll never sign the square arse of my Rosie O’Donnel doll now.
a. We get it. You’re rosiefreakingodonnell. One picture of your mug is enough.
b. Maybe you could make an effort to not look like a mentally unstable homeless person.
c. Take a good picture of your shit. Why is one picture blue? Are you Picasso?
so in summary. thanks for caring, but not enough to make a real effort.
#49- That’s what you think. Tomorrow is another day.
eh. She’s just a middle aged woman who obviously crafts to relieve stress like many of us and tries to sell her stuff to make money for charity and perhaps give her fans something they can point to and show off. (ignoring the giggling to be sure….but still)
Okay…she should smile, she should maybe have a better photo for display, like a solid color backdrop…but I won’t fault her for being ordinary.
but yeah. It’s pretty ugly and the description isn’t attractive. Live and…
at least Helen can add a new chapter to the book under celebrity contributions
i cant d-side
f she looks
j edgar hoover
w c fields
Dear Rosie: I really do like you, and I’m very happy that you have found a creative outlet and are using it to help others. However, I think your shop could benefit from more professional photographs. That is all.
#80–I actually have a rosie doll. And the ass is kinda square. But the red blazer is a quality doll garment.
Once you are posted on Regretsy
U become Famous 4 Crap
Rosie is now famous again
this time 4 Crap
& Charging Crap Prices 4 Crap
& 4 looking like Crap…
Rosie your art looks like Crap
and you did not make it with your feet
….But then again, people do like things that are different, and this is gonna sell, we all know it is gonna sell, to the one with the most desire for crap..and to help Rosie out with her charity….but the bottom line still is that it is Crap and presented as such and she is so proud of it…you can tell by her smile.
O>K> so if you turn her upside down, she kind of looks like she is smiling….
Maybe she just wanted to be in the book!
Okay, it’s official. I am now a full-fledged lesbian after seeing this. Spread the word.
Portia De Rossi is one lucky woman.
Oh, wait…that’s Ellen.
Eh, who cares.
She is one lit cigarette away fro being the TIME To Grate lady. http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=20674474
she looks like she’s in a hostage situation and she’s using that thing as a shield. it just might work. the only thing scarier than her expression is that hideous piece of crap she’s holding. and her face is Zeligging in EVERY thumbnail. the $300 matching donation is a fine gesture. i would pay that for her NOT to send me the crap; unless i start working at a bank, or freelancing as a hostage negotiator.
I’m going to convo her and ask if she can make me something I can afford … for like $10. Will let you know if she responds.
#93 At first glance I DID think that it was the Time to Grate lady. My second thought was ‘She looks like Rosie O’Donnell’ only an ugly version……..
sorry Rosie! would a quick comb and a bit of ‘lippy’ have killed ya?
Why can’t Etsy have celebrities that people actually like? I don’t know who I dislike more. Rosie O’Donnell or people who like Rosie O’Donnell.
I have said it before and I’ll say it again- eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!!!!
I actually like her work, its eclectic and obviously an expression of her emotions. I appreciate she is a regular person and doesn’t feel the need to pile on the make up all the time. Im no glamor puss, and making fun of how someone looks doesn’t seem to be the point of regretsy. That is just low and catty.
I applaud the fact that the money made goes to her charity. Sure, she has a lot of $ but if people enjoy buying her work and enjoy giving to those less fortunate, thats great.
Holy Mother of God. Where do I begin?
Thank God Kelly got the hell out while she could.
In the back of my mind I just knew she was an illiterate, alcoholic moron, but having it slammed in my face is more than I’d ever hoped for.
I’m sure she picks up those postcards when crawling along the barroom floor.
Having a new girlfriend hasn’t made her any less angry, has it?
*I really used to enjoy Rosie…..sigh*
Oh, dear. I’m glad I went to bed before this was posted last night. I have no words…
It’s sad that my previous comment is hidden because it is a + post about Rosie, & because it calls people out for not discussing the item Rosie made, but Rosie’s appearance.
Regretsy is going downhill, rapidly, not because of April/the items posted, but because of the hyenas back slapping each other for tearing someones appearance apart like its so clever & smart.
Regretsy USED to be about bad crafts, now its a bunch of hyenas getting off on disparaging peoples looks. Sad really.
@ #103, The comments have always been a different animal. Nothing has changed about that since day one. Go back and see what people were talking about 3 months ago, and you’ll see why I decided to add voting.
I’m not real excited about hearing how the whole site is going downhill just because your comment got voted down.
Just wondering what happened to “HANDY WIPE” I shared on FB now it’s GONE BABY GONE!
@ piperanasazi, she asked me to take it down, something about her family name in Italy and how vile and evil we all are.
You are nice – I know it was pure shit and I hope she will soon realize it. Was her family name “schifezza” by chance?
“Merda sul vostro vestito”
is this art brut or art butch?
oh no, wait, it’s just crap.
Helen, is regretsy about talking about items on etsy, or is it about talking about the makers of items on etsy? They are two very different things. It is one thing to rip apart a badly made handmade item, and totally different to ignore the item and bash away at the person who made it with made up, speculatory, presumptuous statements. If its about talking about people, we may as well go ahead and call you Perez.
OMG OMG OMG OMG I AM SPEECHLESS!!!
OMG OMG OMG OMG I AM SPEECHLESS!!! I didn’t realize this was Rosie O’Donnell the “actress” until I clicked on the link to her site. Holy fucking shit! Honestly, the item, coupled with the borderline illiterate description (wtf is up with using short form texting language in lieu of proper English?) made me question the seller. But because I don’t want to snark Rosie’s appearance I will just say….wtf!!!
fuckaduckk, you’ll have to show me where I made one comment about her appearance.
Regretsy is about talking about items on Etsy. The comments are whatever you make them. And seeing as you’re the one calling people “hyenas” maybe we should go ahead and call you Perez.
Or perhaps “fuckaducklaveneria”, which I think may be the name of my new Etsy shop.
Ugh…come on, I don’t ask for much. Really, I don’t. But could you post something new soon? This is right up there with the scary guy with the dick necklace and the fish squirrel–Things that are just disturbing to see when clicking on here. I don’t need to see her again, really I don’t. Its scary.
If I had $300, I’d probably have a washer and/or dryer instead of having to walk to the laundromat one load of clothes at a time a few times a week.
I understand this is for charity, but its so sad that people buy this type of thing for the name signed on it when there are far better items out there on etsy for a fraction of the cost!
Helen, you don’t have to make the comments, but supporting them/allowing them is just as bad. Aiding and Abetting.
I used to like this site, now I’m starting to see what everyone on etsy is saying, Regretsy is no longer about the craft itself, its about ripping apart the artists. That in itself, is sad.
I am going to bow out now, which seems the sensible thing to do. I wish you all well.
Ummm, if I could just interject here … If you sell your crafts on Etsy you’re putting yourself ‘out there.’ Personally I haven’t any crafting skill but I don’t slam a couple of Sam Adams and then crawl into my workshop to see what I can whip up out of twist ties and tampons.
If you can’t stand the heat, put down the glue gun.
Sometimes my comments get thumbs down and after I cry myself to sleep I come back again.
I love this site and all the comments and no, I’m not just a…
“I am crafty” is no longer cool…
#116 please do your name (lame, yes I am)…So anywhoo I just preordered the book Yay me! http://bit.ly/8hXVo8
wen i 1st
saw ths post
Ok #88, I’m sorry, but now I’m going to have to hate you forever. While reading your comment, and eating a lovely omelette, you cause me to imagine Rosie O’Donnell’s feet.
Pretty obvious Regretsy is all about craft–or the lack thereof. But a TV personality should know appearances matter. Nobody made her to put her unkempt face in her wares.
So, Helen, I have to ask. Do you feel like you might have just rattled a hornets nest with a stick? If Esty ladies are on the whole touchy bunch, I imagine Rosie O’ has got to be like touchy squared.
Wow Helen – FAD sounds exactly like Shirley Ardell Mason.
what a kawinky dink
I have an etsy shop – And I spend more time here giggling (Not touchy at all)
@ #128 I don’t know what that is.
@ #127 Who gives a fat shit? Anyone who flounces with a lecture about not “ripping apart artists” after calling another seller mentally ill a couple of days ago is not someone I can take seriously.
Sure your right. But on the whole. For instance, I’m sure we’ve all read this hilarious bit of fucknut’ry:
fuck a mallard = sybil dorsett – Just sayin’
#130 Well, and what reason is there to take Rosie seriously anyway. But what’s this now? Rosie was ripping on another seller?
Oh wow, I was sure it was someone just using her name, until I saw the charity and read the profile. The description reads like it was written by someone who is illiterate or insane. It’s nice that she’s raising money for charity, but I’d really just rather send a check!
(I meant the item description, not her shop/profile description)
I dunno who took these photos or where they came from, but somebody really needs to learn how to white balance a camera. That last little photo on the right looks like one of the interrogation rooms on 24. I expect Jack Bauer to burst in at any minute and yell WHO DO YOU CRAFT FOR?!?
ah see I never go on etsy forums – mostly nerdy tech ones + I can’t even catch up with my fricking Google Reader !
@ #133, No, see #125
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Oh, I love to see hypocrisy proven. It is like a bright shining light on this bitterly cold, dreary, snowy day.
That should be a post in and of itself!
#138 No, what I was wondering is if you feared some Rosey retaliation. A home invasion / forcable Ding-Dong removal plot prehaps.
Rosie O’Donnell is a Uber nut job liberal, that makes other libbers wince every time she opens her pie hole. SHE is the one that got her to the point where she is today. SHE is the one that got herself kicked off her own show.
So now here she is giving to “charity”. I wouldn’t be surprised is she getting a cut of the cash from dumb people that waste their money buying her GARBAGE.
Bitchy has beens must be magnetic to Etsy.
#143. Preach it. I’m about as left as they come, but Rosie’s ranting on The View was cringe worthy insanity. The real straw though was when she dressed her kid up like a solider in some weird ass attempt to protest the war. It’s like she kept losing more and more of her mind.
It’s really great to see how far that’s progressed! Keep it up Rosie!
(sigh)…my last comment #121 got 2 thumbs down and 0 up. But you don’t see me being a jerk about it
“hello my name is rosie odonnell
i am crafty
ETSY = a crafters paradise”
hmmm…yes, apparently it is…
Seriously, I thought that was a homeless woman. No lie.
Yeah, so, like getting back to the Rosie O’Donnell thing . . .
It’s not THAT bad. If I had the $, I’d buy it. Really, I would. And in all honesty, I think the disheveled appearance is genius. What do you think sells the tabloids? The beautiful, well- choreographed shots? Or the spur-of-the-moment muffin-top, spandex-clad, out-of shape starlet squinting while walking and trying to eat a donut.
I mean, what is everyone expecting? She’s giving you what you want to see.
Maybe we could blame this whole unfortunate listing on aliens. (Remember Anne Heche? Perhaps visitors from other planets like our famous lesbians.)
can i be a famous lesbian?
oh and eff the thumbs-downers, anyways. my guess is its the same person who comes back after a cookie reset and does it again
I had no idea Rosie O’Donnell was a mental patient.
One flew east, one flew west…….
@#145 – Me too! My first thought: “Why is this crazy homeless woman selling bathroom postcard boxes?” I nearly crapped my jeans when I realized it was Rosie.
@ fuckadukk, et al – When an Etsy seller inserts herself into the photograph, her image becomes part of the product since she are using this image as a marketing tool. So, if you list a photo of yourself, at least run a comb through your tangled mass of hair and SMILE. Or prepare for a Regretsy-style beating
“…since she are…” oh god I’ve lost all credibility (assuming I ever had some)
Someone up near the top compared this to Yokoo. Oh, but I view Yokoo with such horrified fascination. She has a weird and stupid otherworldly style. But it is a style. This looks like a celebrity trying to appear ordinary and casual and ending up all cheese-grater-lady.
I think that’s my new favorite expression: “That’s so cheese-grater.”
@#152 – OMG not the cheese grater lady! LOLZ – she’s so naaaaasty.
Where have you been the last ten years?
Sorry that was cheap, and I just couldn’t resist.
“”I had no idea Rosie O’Donnell was a mental patient.”"”
Where have you been the last ten years.
Sorry that was cheap,and I just couldn’t resist.
Or quote correctly. the less than, greater than signs just seem to delete
thankgod someone else thinks her stuff is crap
its crap crap crap!!!!
i had no idea she was a lesbian
So, Helen, how much do you wanna bet that FAD comes back as a different handle, something new and fresh to wipe the slate clean, such as fuckadonkey or fuckamonkey or maybe even fuckarosieandhercrappygaybox. I prefer the latter.
I saw this days ago without ever coming here to regretsy. good to see it made it here. it deserves it
fuckaduckk you can see by reading carefully profile and shop announcement not all items are not even made by her.
second rosie has an obvious expression of disgust and hatred on her face. so whats the problem rosie. you have so much disdain for average people your sickened by joining Etsy? please rosie show us a smile instead of disgust. show an ounce of enthusiasm..
I honestly saw this earlier today and I didn’t look closely at it. I thought it was funny just in itself. But now that I know this is a celebrity…this is just sad. I thought this was a joke about the annoying “text talk” the crappy artwork, the bad pictures and the huge amount of money the seller thinks it’s worth. The fact that this person is a household name doing this for a good cause–she could have put some efort in it. Any effort would have been good.
That is all.
Told you it would sell.
A picture tells a story, and I found this piece of Art to be difficult to enjoy because of poor photography. It would have been nice to see the piece hanging on a wall either alone or with other pieces of art. The details of the piece were lost because of the distraction of the background.
I noticed when I first saw Rosie’s shop that I think she uses her computer to take the photos. Photo booth or whatever it’s called.
Wow. I knew Rosie O’ Donnell was selling items on Etsy but would never EVER have thought that Regretsy would pick up on it.
Best Regretsy ever.
I can’t stand this woman and anything she does :/
I have a soft spot for her because she bought something from my Etsy shop after I defended her in the forums awhile back. The money she makes in her Etsy shop goes to charity. I thought you weren’t supposed to attack the artist here…….just their “work”. Bring on the thumbs down……..
I was wondering what happened to Rosie O’Donnell.
I know this post is ancient, but to more properly understand some of the ‘in’ jokes, I’ve been slowly working my way through the archives.
Some damn good flounce up there. I wonder if Rosie’s radio show clip counts as a flounce?
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